Film Theory: NOT What He Seems! (The Batman 2022)

פורסם בתאריך 18 מרץ 2022
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Theorists, if you haven't seen The Batman yet, what are you waiting for? Today we will be talking about that last scene. The scene that sets up what could be the future bad guy for Robert Pattinson's Batman. Who is the mystery villain? IS it the Joker? SHOULD it be the Joker? Get your cowl and cape ready, Theorists!
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Credits:
Writers: Matthew Patrick and Bob Chipman
Editors: Forrest Lee, Koen Verhagen, and Dan "Cybert" Seibert
Assistant Editor: Caitie Turner (Caiterpillart)
Sound Editor: Yosi Berman

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  • After watching this, I think MatPat is planning out business decisions on how to make the future movies even better for DC comics with his videos.

    • And they will ignore them all. 😢

    • Correction... how to make GOOD DC movies. At this point in history there are more bombs than hits in their catalog. Schumacher Batman, BvS/Justice League, Suicide Squad, Birds of Prey, etc etc etc. I'm lazy and don't want to name them all. But between the crap movies and the crap TV shows, "better" is the wrong word to use, because it implies they made a bunch of good movies.

    • True

    • this movie is real suckss badasss

    • This is why you put someone who understands the source material in charge of running the show, its why marvel is doing so well.

  • While I love the Joker as a villain, I kinda hope they keep having him in a Hannibal Lecter-like consulting position for Batman, like how he was in the deleted scene, rather than being a proactive villain as he’s normally written in past Batman renditions. That way, audiences that want to see the Joker can be satisfied, while also having other villains getting their own time in the spotlight. It’d have to depend on if future sequels start following a version of The Long Halloween storyline though (just as this movie follows variations of Year One), since that could mean bringing in Calendar Man to fill that role instead (unless Joker replaces Calendar Man for that role, or Calendar Man and Joker both share the role to play off one another)…

    • Honestly they should just forget about joker. I think they should use the court of owls. They could further explore the corruption of Gotham and Bruce’s legacy. maybe they begin to hunt down Batman because of what he stands for, the courts main goal is to shape Gotham in a way that benefits their view. Also since they are almost as old as Gotham we could get some interesting lore on how Gotham became so bad. Maybe it could relate to Thomas wants too, yk with the sins of the father. It felt like a cope out when they just say that Thomas Wayne wasn’t actually a bad person, he was perfectly good and noble.

  • I wanna see Poison Ivy, Scarecrow and Court of Owls. Maybe all in the same film that would be dope.

    • Scarecrow would be interesting

    • @marco fava I think it's too early for the court of owls to show up, considering they're essentially tied to the Robins and turning them into Talons, especially their obsession with the Gray Son.

    • I would really like scarecrow to be one of the main villains or at least an important character. He has a lot of potential as a villain and I think he would be a good opponent for Batman, especially after hearing the talk Bruce had with Alfred about fear. Despite the fact that he has made many appearances in movies and animated series, the only story where he has been the main villain is in the Arkham Knight game and, as far as I understand (I have not played the game), he shares the title of main villain with the Joker. In addition Jason Todd several times steals the spotlight.

    • You would need Metal run shenanigans (if we stay faithful to the source material) for the Court of Owls, and that alone would make a trilogy of movies. I'm in.

    • @D B could easily be modernised though

  • I love the idea of Bruce realizing there's a more meaningful and peaceful way he can save Gotham by using his family's money to build better schools, affordable housing, free hospitals, ect which will create more job opportunities, get people off the streets, and reduce crime.

  • A decent part of mat's argument on why he's actually hush is the "Gotham loves a comeback strory" line. Couldn't the joker just be saying the line to the riddler on how he can 'come back' to the crime stage of Gotham. At this point in the story all of what he thought he was doing has been destroyed and the last thing he relied on was the assassination attempt executed by his loyal followers. His whole operation by this point has been completely uprooted, cant the joker just be telling him that he can start over and remake what he once was.

    • thats exactly what i thought. Its a stretch. it is matpat tho.

    • thats literally 100% what it is. Which to me is basically them telling us Joker is going to use riddler somehow

  • I really like the twist that Batman inspired his villains. He realizes that his whole vengeance message is inspiring the wrong people and at the end he turns to inspire hope. A good character arc and makes me more excited for future sequels

    • Vengeance towards what? For criminals being criminals? He isn't really being vengeance-y to me except kick in few extra punches and be extra quiet n menacing... And him saying himself im vengeance made him sound emo af if he wants to be vengeance they should've shown it through his actions breaking few fingers/forearms threatening etc thats what would give his enemies an inspiration not some beating one thug up in front of the others shtty writing

    • @just i c e you tried, pal. You tried.

    • Yeah

    • How is that a twist, it's been done so many times before.

    • @I Sheet From As Whole I agree. This movie tried for depth and got an M Knight Shyamalan vibe. It was a movie of a bunch of different parts smooshed together.

  • I wanna see Scarecrow in this franchise, he seems to fit the aesthetic of this series quite well.

  • Now that I know a sequel is coming, I've had an idea in my head for a while. If they do make more than the one sequel, I think they should save the Joker until the very last movie in this timeline. Not only would it make this timeline more unique from the other ones, but it might even actually make sense. Who better be The Batman's final face-off with than the Bat's greatest enemy. What do you guys think of this idea?

    • I like the idea of leaving the joker till the end, but I think it would be good if they somehow made a film that incorporated the 3 jokers, the criminal, the comedian and the clown I think that would be a good way to put the one true joker into the movies

  • Whilst I love the joker it's kind of boring making him the archnemesis in every batman movie reboot. I'd love some more minor villains to be given the spotlight.

  • There are so many Batman villains that haven't had there chance to shine outside of the comics, it would be nice to have some more be in the movies. P.S. I really think they should continue the Dark Knight trilogy but I know they won't :(

    • If you know they won't ever ever do that why mention it lol

  • Hush is an extremely good villain for Reeves' Batman. Especially considering we got some really good Jokers already in a short span of time. Hoping he'll explore some court of owl stuff too.

    • This Riddler was too much like Hush to be followed by Hush imo

    • Boowomp.

    • @Sw00t_y PrD We don't care.

    • Nobody said anything about that til Pattinson did

    • Jesus Christ Is The Messiah and He Loves You

  • 15:42 I felt that. joker is my personal fav villain ever, but batman has some of the most diverse villains that seeing a hush, poison ivy, or maybe even a different bane would be interesting. joker will always rein supreme, but at some point, he gets way overused.

  • When they mentioned the Elliot in the Batman I immediately was hoping hush would show up in the movie. Hopefully he will 100 % put him in the series

  • I really liked that the Riddler ended up in Arkham rather than just killing him off like they've been doing in so many comic book movies with the villains. I'd like to see them come back! That was one of the best parts. Especially with Batman. They always escaped Arkham and he had to catch them all over again. It was like their own private game of hide and go seek. With bombs and stuff.

  • I completely agree. In fact, my wife and I were talking after the movie about how having the Joker at the end was kinda lame at this point. I mentioned Hush as being a great choice instead. I'd also love to see the Court of Owls make an appearance in a movie. Maybe I'm alone there but I thought Talon was cool. She wanted to see a solid take on Poison Ivy or Hugo Strange since both of them are due for a modern day facelift. Just... Not the Joker again. He's great but just let it settle for a while.

    • @Miguel Perez Yeah, Gotham.

    • Literally a "modern day" version already done

    • Very much agree with the Court of Owls bit. All the Batman properties that try to go into them get cut off before we really get to delve. For example, the Gotham TV show.

  • "thinks he's so smart" Starting to understand why you love this character MatPat

    • Wait, he uses characters for his theories? Kinda hard to tell...

    • *Shots fired*

    • Only 6 replyes? L

    • roasted

    • 369 likes nicee

  • This could be a set up for a trilogy with Hush being the ultimate villain behind it all. Matt said it himself, Hush is all about manipulation and has done so to almost every major Batman villain. It wouldn't even be a stretch to find out he planted the renewal stuff with Riddler to set him on the path we see in the first film.

  • I disagree. This version of Riddler had a lot of Hush in his characterization, and Hush would be redundant. Hugo Strange should be filling the role of Joker as Batman's Archenemy, he's essentially Hush with more skills and without the elitism and sexism at Hush's core.

    • @Lord Voldemort How so? I believe an Archenemy is someone's most personal foe, the one that challenges them the most and with whom there is also a kind of strange respect and kinship.

    • @Jeremy Roberts I think you're missing the whole point of an Arch-Enemy.

    • @Lord Voldemort Riddler was Batman's Archenemy in the 1966 series, Hugo Strange was in fact Batman's Archenemy in The Batman the animated show from the early 2000s and Anarky was Batman's Archenemy in Beware The Batman. It's happened before.

    • I don't know about Hush being sexist, but either way, Hugo Strange can not be Batman's Arch-Enemy, because, as everyone except apparently you knows, The Joker fills that role. No one is going to accept someone else as his Arch-Enemy. Come on. Don't be silly.

  • Hush would be a great villain (probably paired with another) for the next movie but the third should definitely be court of owls, which is also how they could add in mr freeze as he appears in the night of the owls comics. Hush could have something to do with the court and maybe it could have joker play a small roll? Or maybe Batman can go to imprisoned riddler? Something like that would be sick to see.

  • Throughout the movie I kept thinking they were going to add the twist that Riddler is actually Hush. In his mask he looks more like Hush than the typical Riddler, and DC has already made Hush and Riddler the same in the animated Hush film. If anything I think that's an easier pivot than changing the Joker into Hush.

    • i actually think 'The Riddler" was Mad Hatter and the inmate at the end was the real Riddler, or hopefully The Creeper (he was a journalist after all, and this movie clearly states that one is missing)... the use of sound, Ave Maria as a hypnotic trigger and taping the heads, plays on the whole hat fetish Tetch has. But if Dano really was Riddler, then my money is on the inmate being the Hatter. Hatter's whole thing is mind control, and in Alice's Advs in Wonderland, which shaped Tetch's psychosis it wouldn't be out of character for Hatter to view Batman as Alice, and send Alice a slew of riddles.When is a Batman like a writing desk. ;)

  • Love how the Riddler was actually menacing in this version like he should be. He was inspired by the Zodiac Killer and it shows

    • @Tester Wulf :3 Yeah. I like him now though. Just as a kid I thought he was dumb

    • @Flame of Mage Leaving clues is his thing! The zodiac killer did it to great success after all and is an inspiration for the Riddler. I like to think he doesn't plan on success..it's all just a game to him and who wins is irrelevant as long as he had fun.

    • @The Spontaneous X Yes. Thanks for catching that

    • @MrBrown BearMan Exactly 💯

    • ​@MrBrown BearMan The Gotham Riddler will always be my favourite, personally.

  • My theory when I left the cinema after The Batman was that the end scene was a setup for a trilogy. All the Hush references and the style of the movie make Hush the obvious choice for the next film. 1st film = Batman heavy. 2nd file = Hush forces Bruce Wayne to confront that part of his life so it becomes more focused Bruce. Setting up for a 3rd and final film where Batman, having reached a balance between the two parts of his life, gets his world turned upside down when he’s confronted with the pure unpredictability and chaos of Joker which he can’t rationalise.

  • After watching The Batman and reading some articles, I thought the next movies main villain (if and when they make it) would be Two-Face. It felt like it would be more thematic to me, going from this version of the Riddler, to a more serious Two-Face, with someone else Batman had to deal with. I forgot about Hush being a villain, and now, I'm thinking about Hush being a villain in the third, with hints that he was pulling the strings all along...

  • This universe seems perfect for much darker villains so I hope we get to see the more darker villains and newer villains like perhaps the court of owls and even a new take on the scarecrow

  • I hope that they do a combination of these 2 things: They're obviously going to make the joker into a character going forward, but I hope they make him a minor villain and introduce Hush or another villain too.

  • This is like the first time the Riddler has not been treated as a joke in a Batman movie, and it works perfectly.

    • Deserved more screen time

    • @oGrimzyz yeah, although riddler was a full blown redditor/channer

    • @Sam Mito i mean to be fair lots of serial killers do look like redditors

    • @Justin Queso the fact that he has supporters is so realistic

    • @Justin Queso "Hit like and subscribe for more political murders, guys"

  • I would love to see any other villain besides joker as the the main villain. It’s great that they included him. Maybe he can just be a character in the shadows. That the next movie just hints at. The Batman matches the tone of the archam games. I would love to see Dr victor freeze in the next movie. His character definitely needs redemption

  • As much as I love the Joker I do think either hush or some other villain would be a great villain for the second movie and save Joker as the final villain for the trilogy.

  • as much as I loved hush, I feel as if they already covered a murder mystery in this one. A follow-up film will likely expand into a different thing. perhaps more conventional superhero flick

  • I did find myself able to recognize the Easter eggs for Hush when I watched it even just the first time, and I do agree that he is the better villain for the next movie. However, I also know that the comics have had a Dark Knights Metal event going on and the whole flooding Gotham premise in the movie reminded me of something absolutely crazy cool that happened in the storyline. Especially with the whole corruption theme in the Batman movie, it would be interesting to explore. (spoilers for the comics; I would highly recommend reading the Dark Knights Metal for yourself as it's a dope storyline so far and I can't wait to see where they take it) In The Batman Who Laughs storyline so far, we were shown something called, "The Last Laugh" protocol. Created in the 18th century, the "intent" was to protect the city from, "the spread of an internally generated threat." Batman even put in place measures to ensure the safety of the city in the event of joker poison infecting the city. However, the BWL revealed via a holographic message explaining that while searching around the Court of Owls lair, he found out that the true intentions of the protocol were for the opposite- it would act as a shield for Gotham's founders and elite would turn the city into a seat of power without fear of interference from the outside world. Basically they had a perfect means to seek power without consequences. That entire plotline would fit incredibly well with the themes discussed in The Batman. I know the storylines wouldn't match up at all but it's just cool to think about. That and also I'd love to see a film adaptation of the Batman Who Laughs.

  • I felt like this Riddler’s character design was inspired by Hush with the costume, the history, and darker elements like the psychotic planning and saw traps he used on his victims. So I don’t think Hush will be introduced into this movie universe because he already exists through the Riddler

    • Hush is the riddler in the books

    • bro in comics hush is not riddler they changed it he is that guy that have elliot in his name i forgot his nam honestly but there was a refrence in the movie the guy who was killed because he was going to expose martha family

    • Too much set up and history for that to be the case. Unless the whole reporter subplot was intentionally an Easter egg for no reason but to be an Easter egg even though its elaborate considering you didn't find out that the Elliot's made their fortune in newspapers from hush but in actually a different book if I'm not mistaken (written by Scott Snyder, I don't remember the title

    • While watching the movie I was predicting Thomas Elliott was the real identity of the Riddler. Would've been a great twist

    • It wasn’t a twist. It was telegraphed brighter than the Bat signal

  • I just hope we get some villains that haven't had a live action movie appearance before, or at least not a serious one. A lot of people myself included have Joker fatigue, plus it wasn't even that long ago that Joaquin Phoenix became such a fantastic new standard for the role (people need to stop bringing up Heath Ledgr constantly. It's exhausting at this point) Hush might be interesting, though he's a little one note and never been done all that well outside of his original appearance. Once you know his identity, there's not much else to him. I'd rather see the Court of Owls, Killer Croc, Clayface, Mr Freeze, Azrael or Hugo Strange, or some combination of those.

  • I know you’ve done a Bee Movie theory before but, hear me out, I think a theory estimating how many bees would actually be needed to hold and fly a plane would be very interesting to watch. (Or if it’s even possible for any amount of bees to do so)

  • Loved the back and forth between Matpat and Dan, would love to see this more often

  • In a previous iteration of the Riddler, he became Hush, so Mat might not be entirely wrong.

  • I saw the deleted Joker scene and I'm loving him so far. However, I wish they would simply hint at him until the 3rd movie and have him tie it all up.

    • maybe he could be like an organizer that is behind a bunch of crimes in a second or third movie and they just build up to him getting closer and closer taking down lesser villains then end with him getting the joker

    • Agreed Joker could do with breathing room. With the slow build you recommend. Not like Batman short of good villians.

    • Honestly, they might! 2nd movie might be riddler breaking out of Arkham and 3rd might be Joker Joker Funhouse Time.

    • Without watching videos about this movie, I thought it was 2 face

    • that's what they're going for. I'm pretty sure Matt Reeves said he just wants the audience to know that he exists in the world

  • Honestly, I'd love to see other Batman villains get the spotlight in future films. I mean, how crazy would it be to see a live-action Clayface? Or, heck, Poison Ivy or Bane?

  • I thought we would finally get a two face in this Batman movie, maybe he would appear for a quick cameo and we would have him as a main villain in the next movie. I agree with matt patt though, having joker this early is a definitely a risky move

  • As someone whose absolute favorite Batman villain is Scarecrow, I feel a lot of the end of this video

  • I feel Court of Owls needs to be saved for a film 3 and is a great storyline. I challenge that film 2 should follow or take heavy inspiration from Batman: Dark Victory.

  • I think that the Joker being like the "final boss" for Batman in the last installment of this trilogy would be more compelling for this kind of story. To have the most iconic Batman Villian be smacked in the middle of Batman's development might be interesting if they do it right, but I personally would prefer if the big baddie be the final thing this Batman would have to overcome

    • Arkham games had joker as the main baddie (though sometines sharing a screen with Bane or Strange) for almost all installments and even brought him back from the grave as a hallucination instead of letting Scarecrow breathe more or giving more screen time to other villains.

    • @Austin Patterson it might be that they have a main antagonist like Hush with undertones of the Joker, coz Matt said it's an underdeveloped Joker. So maybe the joker develops in the second film to become the main villain in the last

    • But the downfall of Batman or the last part of the trilogy, I agree it would be cool to see Joker be the final bad boss Batman faces

    • I've always imagined Joker as the final boss like you said. It just makes sense. But at the same time I would really love to see them develop on the more unsung villains just like Hush. The dark nature of hush suits this world perfectly too

    • @Felix Khalil Right? I feel like Reeves is smart enough to know that. I'm really hoping that interview was a deliberate misdirect.

  • 3:28 I would pay to see a movie redone by the theorist editing team in this style, with matpat narrating anything they couldn't exactly emulate

  • When it was mentioned that the unknown inmate had scars my first thought was Hush from the Arkham games, it’s a bit anticlimactic that the director revealed that he was actually Joker

  • I’d honestly love to see Red Hood in a future film. Would be sick again 🔥🔥

    • @kyoufi should be set before Jason is killed by Joker, and get to see him tortured/‘killed’ and would love to see him make an awesome comeback!

    • yes!!!! i super agree bro, he would be a perfect robin for this batman i feel.

  • I love this theory!!! Joker is amazing point blank period. Dark knight with Heath and joker with Joaquin uplifted the character in so many ways. But I don't see joker in this universe. This is a psychological thriller for THE WORLD GREATEST DETECTIVE! Not just martial arts bad guy beat em up. Remember he didn't catch the Riddler, riddler turned himself in like in seven with Kevin spacey. Hush works perfectly in this universe of dark edgy crime psychological thriller which is mostly mystery. Riddler worked great, as would Hush, Hugo strange, the mad hatter, and possibly 2 face. Joker plays games but joker doesn't hide in the shadow he's oblivious with his plans and doesn't do cat and mouse. He's more EXPLOSIVE here I am batman come get me. Not about waiting long. Love this MatPat

  • Just saw the deleted scene with the joker, and unfortunately it is confirmed to be him. However I do like the direction they are taking with him and it feels like he’s pulling the strings and not dragged in like he’ll be the final villain of the trilogy

    • @Grand Empress Vicky eh arguably the riddler in the batman is very joker-eqse. Being a bravery artists would be choosing a villian because they have a compelling reason to use that villian not choosing a villian just to be different.

    • @chidorirasenganz yes you can. Especially when the rest of Batman's rouges gallery is just as interesting and expansive. Riddler proved that you can have a Batman movie that isn't focused on the joker. It's because Joker is so iconic that he is overused. He's become a cheap gimmick for studios and comics to use to ensure money. Braver artists should try and make the other villains work.

    • Hannibal Lecter Joker that unconsciously helps Batman catch Up to Hush/Scarecrow

    • @Jagger O'Connor the same director that threw Catwoman on the set to make us think she was IN scenes she wasn't actually in.

    • Exactly

  • What I wanted for a sequel was one starring the scarecrow except he causes fear with less conventional, more subtle ways instead of spooky weed.

  • Matt. I like the theory. There's just one thing that I feel like I have to mention The Joker is Batmans arch nemesis. The Joker and Batman have nearly always and clearly will always be together in one form or another. Because they belong together. They fit together so well, and it would seem weird to just leave The Joker out of it. If they went with Hush it would be cool, don't get me wrong, but everyone would probably be talking about how they missed the oppertunity to put The Joker in the movie if it happened. We love seeing new versions of the Clown Prince of Crime as much as we love seeing new versions of the Caped Crusader, because they are practically fit for each other. No other villan from DC has had as much of an impact as The Joker. :) Good theory though. And thanks to everyone that just spent their time reading about someone fanboying over a fictional criminal in clown attire.

    • we alrdy got heath ledger THENN we got phoenix no other joker finna be as good any time soon

    • I’d rather see Hush we’ve seen Joker plenty of times, he can wait

  • The Hush used the Riddler so their perfectly set up for a second movie and they dug pretty deep into laying the family groundwork. I think they used Pattinson cause he still looks young too. He told Alfred your not my dad. That’s not something an adult says.

  • The hush character needs a big movie version. He’s a great villain

  • Although, Joker is my favorite Batman villain, I was actually somewhat disappointed that they're bringing him in so quick and was hoping they would give some other characters a moment on the big screen. Still, with sequels having not been greenlit initially, I guess it could be a dangling carrot for the studio and another villain may get the focus next while Riddler & the Joker are still locked up to eventually escape down the road.

    • I'd love to see scarecrow or other villains like poison ivy and mr freeze in the sequel and then have the Joker as the big bad controlling everything and be the villain for the 3rd movie.

    • I really hope we don't get Joker anytime soon. Honestly tired of that character. Idc if anyone says he's important in Batman's myth. We haven't even got a proper Robin so what's the difference.

    • @Magnus I actually hoped there would be a Hugo Strange cameo in this movie, sadly there isn't altho we did got to see Arkham Asylum. Hugo Strange is another mysterious character that plays by his own rules, thought he was the good guy for holding all the villains in Arkham Asylum but turns out he used them to his own will. I hope there will be a cameo of him in later movies.

    • @D’S Beats nah no way

    • I think they’re gonna do it like how Thanos was always teased in the end of like Marvel movies I think joker‘s gonna be like the big bad in like maybe the third movie I think he’s gonna get like a cameo in the second movie but he’s going to be the real super villain in the third movie

  • Id love to see mr. Freeze. The heart breaking back story has a great potential.

  • U know i want something special for Hush i love this character i just hope he can be in this new version of Batman. Let there be Hush!

  • I would love if they actually made it hush or maybe have it hush becomes the joker either way I would really enjoy that. Personally first time I saw it I was really hoping it would be clay face

  • I watched this movie the other day and I had the same exact though, “why add in another joker?!?” I also thought Hush would be a perfect villain in this new batman universe.

  • Just as a side on Matt Reeves talking about the deleted Joker scene, the way he describes it almost sounds a lot like an allusion to Silence of the Lambs. That might be the way to bring back Joker; not as the main villain, but a supporting character in the same vein as Hannibal Lector.

    • @Bro Hiddlesby Just saw the deleted scene in ILaward. I stand corrected. #IBelieveinMattReeves .

    • He said it was inspired by Red Dragon and Man Hunter. So yes I hope his Joker gets a Hannibal Lecter Role to Batmans Will Graham

    • God that would be amazing

    • @Carlos Martinez Jr For sure, I don’t disagree with you. Only thing is, with the way the Reeves trilogy is setting itself up and the fact that they gotta do something fresh with the Joker, a Hannibal Lector homage is one of the few ways they can go.

    • I see Calender Man fitting that role more perfectly. Just like in Long Halloween.

  • Hush would be a phenomenal next villain even though it’s unlikely for him to be next, I hope he’s added to this series of movies

  • I think they should work the Joker into the first act of the next movie too as a minor part of the story or even just the opening scene so he can be thrown back in Arkham till the final film where he makes his grand performance thereby giving everyone what they want but also saving the best for last and even establishing the cyclical nature of his relationship with bats and arkham asylum

  • Ok, the Hush story arc would be excellent! I feel like it would give more depth as you said and make Bruce focus on being a force in the community as Bruce Wayne and giving him an already emotionally connected character in Elliot. If they decide to go that direction with Keoghan that would be cool, but it's unrealistic for him to play hush and I hope they could maybe cast someone else. What I am hoping for though is a more grounded take on Mr. Freeze, Batman and Robin portrayed him terribly and I would like to see a Freeze that actually seems broken like how we see him in Batman Animated Series story arcs like Heart of Ice or the Subzero movie. I've just always wanted to see a good iteration of the Freeze, and I'm just all-around excited for the direction of the franchise. Maybe saving him for the third movie and having hush(hopefully) set as the next villain would work very well. Super good video, love the content, and just super excited! :)

  • Wow I think that this is a great theory. Including all of the points that you made in the video, the film also seemed to emphasize the idea that Batman inspired this new age of criminals, or "supervillains," for the first time. I think about the moment where the Riddler doppelganger at the end (after Batman punched his face in several times and Gordon removed his mask) referred to himself as "vengeance," and you could see the revelation on Batman's face. The film came off to me as if Batman and Gordon were dealing with a villain like The Riddler for the first time. So, I agree that it would make more sense that Batman wouldn't have dealt with a villain like The Joker before the events of this film I hope you're right. Hush would be a great fit for the established tone in Reeves' Batman.

  • Despite the Joker identity being confirmed I don't think he is necessarily the next main villain. There is also going to be an Arkham Asylum spinoff series on HBOmax that he may factor into. The movie did in fact lay down good groundwork for Hush to be in a later film. Hush working with the Court of Owls would make for an amazing movie, and I think it's relatively plausible, even likely.

    • He'll probably be the main villain in one of the other sequels

    • Yeah if a sequel came for the next Batman movie I would love if the Joker would be a side villain and not the antagonist

    • @eee Basically the GCPD show turned into the Arkham Asylum show

    • @eee No the GCPD one was scrapped in favor of the Arkham one.

    • I know the GCPD show was canceled? So is the arkham one aswell?

  • Batman has the most diverse villain roster and it’s sad that the other ones are being entirely ignored. Marvel used relatively unpopular characters to make guardians of the galaxy and it turned out phenomenal. Branch out guys.

  • Unless he becomes Hush first and then evolves into The Joker. Matt Reeves DID say that it was his descent into BECOMING the joker, so I wonder if this is what he meant.

  • Hush has some of the best stories in the comics, besides him I would love to see Colander Man or Mad Hatter in this universe

  • I just wanna know. Does anyone else want a William Dafoe joker?

    • lol that is such a common request that Willem Dafoe joked about it on SNL. and naw...i think it xould be interesting but for one hes getting pretty old and two he just came back as Green Goblin and crushed it. UNLESS they did The Three Jokers storyline and have him play The Criminal or The Clown

  • What I like about this is that Bruce Wayne only by appearance alone is known to Gotham. Not by his actions which was very evident with the conversation with the future mayor. So if Hush does roll up he can however he wants as Bruce Wayne and no one will think twice.

    • fyaz

    • Ashnflash? Epic to see you comment. I say that like I know you but I just watch you so… Hello.

    • Sup ash

    • This franchise would never do anything as goofy as hush

    • @Commenter Mr. unnecessary but alright

  • I want to see Hush in the movies over Joker. I love that storyline and I hope to see it :)

  • I saw the deleted Joker scene and I'm loving him so far. However, I wish they would simply hint at him until the 3rd movie and have him tie it all up.

  • Okay I love someone agreeing against your points and you actively debating them, it made the video really fun

  • We finally have a replacement,or an attempt at one, for Heath Ledger's Joker. Let's hope they don't mess it up.

  • I legit whispered to my partner in the theater when they said the reporter's name was Eliot, "Oh my God, are they setting up Hush?" I want Hush so bad. He's one of my favorite villains. I own the Hush comics, they're freaking amazing. And Hush in Arkham City was such a disturbing side mission. Kevin Conroy's voice acting of Hush sent literal chills down my spine the first time I played it. I seriously hope Matt Reeves is deliberately misleading everyone. That maybe the guy in the cell is the Joker, but it's sort of a Hannibal Lector/Buffalo Bill thing. That Joker isn't the main antagonist of the next film, but he has info about Hush and Batman has to go to Arkham to interrogate him. Something. I just want Hush!

    • Idk... I suppose this is a hot take, but I'm not really a fan of Hush and I hope they don't do him in the movies any time soon, at least not until other more iconic Batman villains and stories get properly adapted (most of them have not). I dislike how Hush got his time to shine at the cost of every other Batman villain. He seemed just so much smarter and better than all of them and was a very credible threat to Batman, despite there not being any justification for him being as skilled as he was... By the end he was revealed to be Bruce Wayne's childhood friend and a surgeon... Maybe I forgot something but being a jealous and vindictive surgeon doesn't really explain how he was able to do most things he did and outperform Batman's entire rogues' gallery. I mean... later comics (if I recall correctly) explained he got help from the Riddler, but I see that mostly as damage control to a story that made no sense than anything else... More and more I start to believe the rumors that the Hush story was a precursor to the Under the Red Hood story and that Hush was originally meant to be Jason Todd, but it got changed in editorial... At least if Hush had been Jason Todd, much like the Red Hood, it would be believable for him to be as smart and skilled as he was. Unfortunately, the way it turned out, Hush was basically a Gary Sue imo, with an off the charts skill-set for plot reasons...

    • @G. Deyanov Cool I might check it out. I actually only found out about the court of owls from some interviews the cast of The Batman have done

    • @Pelloo I haven't either! I have only read the first batman book about it and it was a couple of days ago! It is a really good read, but even then there are great summaries of the story which you can listen to.

    • I freaking loved the small side mission you get in Arkham Knight tho... "They took what was rightfully mine". It just tells the entire story that Mat was passing us through here, all one by one matches everything.

    • @G. Deyanov Yeah I am only speculating and hoping. Truth be told I am unfortunately not very well aware of the Court of Owls because I haven't read the comics

  • i feel like scarecrow would be a really fitting for this series

  • Remember last time Matpat made a “theory” about movies that’s basically how it should go and I think the producers actively went the opposite way??? Ya I’m scared that’ll happen again. I’m just saying every time he made a Netflix theory and the day after I watched it the whole platform changed

  • The best sequel would to keep this same tone, maybe ratchet up the horror aspect and make the main villian clay face. The big reveal is that he was all these different characters we meet and feel sympathetic for throughout the entire movie.

  • In the animated movie “Batman: Hush” riddler turns out to be the character hush and near the ending he uses the same exact riddle joker uses in the end. “the less of me you have, the more i am worth”

  • I think the next villain should be Scarecrow. If they play their cards right here, The Scarecrow could be the most terrifying Batman live-action villain again. (Not that he was before….. looking at you Gotham TV show) He could be a man broken by fear, broken by The Batman. A man, molded with the fear, and anger of a true villain. He could be a simple man, Johnathan Crane, a psychiatrist at Arkham. He would speak to the inmates, have a nice life but then he is robbed. And the Batman, is too preoccupied with something else, and is too late to help poor, poor Johnathan. He now has a certain hatred, and he needs to take it out on something. He will use the one thing that people can never control. Their fear.

    • @dflowers30 I want deathstroke to come on the screen

    • @Hunter Johnson oh now that my friend, is an idea! A great idea might I add! Just the thought of him being an already expert liar (and maybe a pickpocket) would be excellent!

    • @EssViot I could definitely see deathstroke as a suitable villain for the Reevesverse!

    • @dflowers30 Yeah, I can see where you’re coming from.

    • @Spacefan17 I have thought about it and I think I want to see a new Batman villian on the big screen. Batman has the richest rogues gallery in comics. It's time to see something new

  • Although I unfortunately doubt it the director could be misleading us so we expect the joker, rather than who we're getting

  • Reeves even said he’s thinking of putting hush as a possible next villain however he also said it’s not 100% that hush will be the next villain because he still has some enemies in mind for the next movie. and that joker he has in there he said wouldn’t use anytime soon however it’s possible he will probably be a mc in the Arkham series coming on hbo max

  • While watching I really thought they were alluding to Hush. I almost thought they were going to have it to where he was manipulating riddler into thinking batman was communicating to him, but it was actually Hush

  • I hope they save the joker for the third movie if there’s gonna be one. Give a different villain the spotlight in the next movie